VPR Cast#78: “Sun Tzu and MMO’s Part I”

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When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men’s weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. It is then proof, that you have not listened to enough mmoSmackTalk.com.
~Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu said it, now Yak and I will talk about it. Dust off your ninja swords, boys, we’ze goin to war.

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Game Discussion and Analysis:

  • Darkfall Online (DFO): open pvp, full loot, loads of asses to kick.
  • Mortal Online (MO): softcore DFO??? Good graphics, free for all pvp with an L2 style spin.
  • and many more…
  • Stray Bullet Games (No Name Yet): from the makers of Shadowbane, comes a mystery meat mmo. Will this be first person perspective, sandbox, loot, full loot? Nobody knows, YET, not even God.

28 thoughts on “VPR Cast#78: “Sun Tzu and MMO’s Part I””

  1. They made a whole port city with carboard and appear like 50 miles away from where it actually was. They put the real city in black out and lit up the fake city. Germans bombed the faked city.

    The floating eyeball is called Wizards Eye in DnD and PnP did give experience before you completed quests, you just had to wait till the end of the gaming night. Course people had house rules.

    Reason you didn’t have fun in WAR was you weren’t running PvP with us. Far as people listening to others in Pugs, really who knows wtf they are talking about and how do you know they do? Reason I don’t pug lol.

  2. I liked the Scenarios in WAR… when you could get into them. Usually when I played with Vince, Paul, and at least one other person I was venting with we were able to win the majority of our scenario fights. Frontier pvp was a zerg festival, lacking leadership, and inhibited by in game controls, such as heroes hanging out 100 yds off a castle wall (with a retinue of champions). The pve in WAR was fun, but the game in it’s entirety was not compelling enough to warrant grinding it out to the top.

  3. @Star It’s not that at all. The game had so much potential and was a huge epic fail. Not only the game but the player base as well.

  4. I liked this :-) However, if I were to choose between the regular casts and this, I’d have to go with the regular casts.

  5. @Widund3r: Interesting… cause I’m thinking about shoving 3 more of these down your throat :D. Thanks for the feedback!

  6. @Widund3r Could you please be more specific on what a regular cast is? Isn’t a regular cast where Ryan has a guest on the show. Or do you mean regular cast with out Yak?

  7. @Yak: I think what he means by regular cast is a game oriented cast or a darkfall oriented cast. I belive that some on here, including myself, sometimes forget that this site isnt made solely for Darkfall, but for MMOs in general. Plus content Ryan and yourself feel the need to discuss or put out.

    The reason we forget or atleast I forget sometimes is because of the fact that Ryan plays darkfall, hence why alot of discussions and guests have come from darkfall.

    Personally I really enjoy the Darkfall discussions and would love for this site to become Darkfall Smacktalk :p Though I know that alot of people on here dont play DFO so I think the balance of MMO discussion at the moment is great.

    My point is, when you have these mmo/darkfall casts, with the occasional guest, which is basicly what we are used to and expect as listeners. Then suddenly coming with a book from Sun Tzu, kind of throws us off, atleast me. I can see your trying to keep us entertained by linking or comparing Sun Tzu’s literature to your experiences with MMOs, but its just not coming across. I would rather listen to Ryan and you, talk about Darkfall/DDO/other MMOs or a cast from an ingame perspective, where you guys actually play, and at the same time discuss it, maybe even a video to compliment it, like when you tried DFO Yak.

    So im gonna have to agree with Widund3r, I would also prefer the more MMO oriented casts, which I believe is the “regular cast” that he means.

    I listened to the whole cast, and what mainly kept me listening was the MMO talk of the cast. I could do without the book, though I might read it at some point.

    I will say, I cant speak for everyone here, these are just my assumptions and opinions. I do believe there are some people here who enjoys this alot. So dont stop because of me.


  8. I played on Tera FGT#01, let me tell simply amazing is not just the graphics but the game play is very top notch. But really no game is perfect there is always something you won’t like about a game but either you suck it up or move on to the next game.

  9. Mortal got delayed another month!!!! YAY… Love the combat mechanics.. I just think that if and when they get some content into the game it will be amazing… If their becomes some reason to hold land… Some epic mobspawns every once in a while. There just needs to be a direction or reason for every thing

  10. ryan, try the new patch? and as the mysterious guest, i knew you could do it! i’m sure its Tasos with a greek translator

  11. Zenko, true… either you like the game or not. But as gamers and lovers of fine mmo we need to evaluate this and determine if it should be relegated to the shit pile, or noted in history as a worthwhile game (or an attempt at one). RIGHT?

    You need to come clean and fill us in on some of the mechanics :)

  12. Yeah, nizzie! There’s a lot going on with that guy… unfortunately we didnt cover it all in the time we had.

  13. Lol, Why is this Darwoth guy being praised for being the primary cause of Hundreds if not Thousands of canceled subscriptions and Darkfall leavers. This guy should be shot in the face with a bazooka.

    So what its hilarious and entertaining to hear. Dont give this scumbag any more praise then he deserves. Anyone that literally spends all day terrorizing new players and making hundreds of clans decimate for his own amusement has some serious mental issues. I feel like Darwoth is a insane asylum convict playing Darkfall in his straight jacket with feet. He really sucks hard at PvP. Actually, I think every SBG is pretty horrible. Thats probably why they are still stuck in NPC cities killing noobs.

  14. Really nice podcast, btw you should give mortal online a try (open beta) and tell us what you think about it.
    Your podcasts make my time fly at work, haha.

  15. @Starkiller: You know Darwoth from VG?

    @Beleg: There are a few good reasons why I had him on, 3 of which immediately come to mind:
    1.) He is part of the fabric that makes dfo. Later, post DFO, when reflect on the various elements that made Darkfall what it was, Scary Bad Guys will be a part of that memory… for good or bad.
    2.) I find it very curious how somebody can even think like he does, to do the things that he’s done.
    3.) This might be because I’ve not been a victim, but there’s something very funny about it all to me. Have you seen his latest come hither video that he posted on the forums? If not, I’ll link it when I post the cast this evening.

    @Sjouks: Thanks! If MO is in open beta I’ll definitely download it and try it out.

  16. Ryan post that info, And cant wait for this next cast.

    I was not saying to not cast about him, I am just saying he doesnt need any more praise in a Cast thread not even about darkfall. Hes a scumbag and Darkfalls number 1 enemy.

    It is actually good that you have him on and let all of us aware of his craziness. Makes us smarter so we know what to look for. My clan has had 11 attempted scams on our Clan Bank. 0 success.

  17. LOL I just watched that Vid. I am amazed how NOOB these people are. They literaly tried crawling to the bank instead of mounting up in the other direction.
    Shrapnel/stormblast? Cmon

    Those people deserve what they got.

  18. @Beleg: yeah, that video is funny. Add in the music and the knowledge that there was real life rage and it’s a recipe for laughter 😀 RE the cast, I hope to get him on again. You’ll hear. He has some good things to contribute, not to mention, I have more questions/points of curiosity.

  19. Yeah, he exploited his ass off and if anyone that could kill him and not be one shot exploited came around he would go sit in the ocean for hours talking crap in world chat. Pretty pathetic really.

    He was another one of those that would run for hours like a bitch and use the rift system to avoid being killed and actually was pussy enough to transfer infamy to alts, rofl.

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